@Kyokuya said in Challenge mode Decision wallclip exploit - TA exploit - PvP exploit:
I'm starting to think your goal has been to help the cheaters by covering up legit complaints with your useless posts all along.
This is, unfortunately a very common tactic I see in matters like this. When someone challenges an argument and makes valid counterpoints, even if they don't directly correlate with the original argument, the doubt is then cast on that person, potentially discrediting them or suggesting that their counterargument is in defense of the person(s) accused in the original argument. To put it much more simply, that's like saying "[Those people] are wrong, and anyone who disagrees with me must be one of [those people]!"
Without reasonable doubt or supportive evidence, that is disingenuous.
It's been expressed, repeatedly at this point, that the moral standing and reasonable logic of the original argument was called into question several times by now, especially by things the OP themselves have said, but also in the unnecessary extra steps people have taken in the name of some kind of faux-righteousness. The thread about GMs being chummy was just that, and just as I said there, I challenged it for seeing what it really was. Then you've got the guilt-by-association stirred up in all the hubris, which as Anarchy-Marine has pointed out, can or has potentially caused backlash and harassment where it's otherwise undue.
With respect to their privacy, 2 people have specifically been named and accused of things they are not guilty of. One was implied to be an alt of one of the accused cheaters and that is not true. I say this with absolute certainty. Another has been called a cheater along with their friends - of which I also fall into said group - and again, that is not true. THIS is where the problem lies. Accusation without supportive evidence, guilt-by-association, and very clear attempts to headhunt specific people with an expressed "end justifies the means" mentality. To that end it's no wonder other people who are uninvolved are being dragged in and accused of things they are not guilty of. THAT needs to stop.
This thread went wayward pages ago. At the point GMs decided to look at the evidence submitted, the matter should have been left up to them, but in making it a public spectacle, it became quite clear to anyone that this was not simply a matter of trying to expose cheaters and have them be properly dealt with. This was a far more petty, far more personally driven action, that has grown into something very ugly and dragged in people entirely uninvolved - like myself - all in the name of the "end justifying the means". If that isn't disingenuous, I don't know what is.