Remove Height Restriction

@ZeeHero9271 said in Remove Height Restriction:

At this point the most likely answer is they don't want SEGA to know how much we hate it becuase then they would be forced to change it.

One potential reason could be, from what I've read from other companies who have made similar decisions in regard to censorship or general design changes, is that Japanese and Korean companies are now "aware" that there's a group of people in western world who have a problem with lolicon/shotacon but don't understand "why" they have a problem with it. This is leading to situations where loli type characters are being aged up or removed entirely from completely SFW products where they aren't being sexualized at all and adult aged but small breasted girls being censored in full pornographic titles. They don't understand why some westerners are upset, just that "westerners are upset about loli characters" and are removing them in their entirety from a lot of products to avoid the possibility of social media backlash or more likely, future legal issues.

There's also a group of people who believe that lolicon/shotacon is illegal in some places right now and/or may become illegal in more places soon, and while that may be true, there's absolutely nothing in PSO2 that would get Sega in legal trouble anywhere in the world. The problems are: 1.) They look at those of us who want to play short characters in a video game as inhuman monsters who only exist to hurt children and think that no one will care if they bully us. 2.) They don't care enough to do the legal research to see that nothing in PSO2 will get them in trouble anywhere in the world, again adopting a completely heartless "who cares about a bunch of pedophile's feelings" mentality and thinking it would be easier to just say "screw you".

And society completely justifies them acting like that because that's how media has taught people to view pedophilia, who they're viewing all of us complaining as. "If you want to make a short character in this video game, that means you're a pedophile and if you're a pedophile that means you're a ticking time bomb who is going to ruin a child's life and that means we can treat you like dogshit and no one will care". It's a toxic mindset that comes from a place of bigotry and a lack of empathy at a time when everyone is screaming from the rooftops for understanding and tolerance of each other. It doesn't matter if you intend to make a character who looks like a child or not, or if you have those feelings at all or solely towards fictional depictions, that's the justification they're operating on.

It's awful. And this isn't me defending any sort of illegal act. This is me saying "being a bully makes you an asshole, regardless of who you're bullying".

@SubparRobot said in Remove Height Restriction:

@ZeeHero9271 said in Remove Height Restriction:

At this point the most likely answer is they don't want SEGA to know how much we hate it becuase then they would be forced to change it.

One potential reason could be, from what I've read from other companies who have made similar decisions in regard to censorship or general design changes, is that Japanese and Korean companies are now "aware" that there's a group of people in western world who have a problem with lolicon/shotacon but don't understand "why" they have a problem with it. This is leading to situations where loli type characters are being aged up or removed entirely from completely SFW products where they aren't being sexualized at all and adult aged but small breasted girls being censored in full pornographic titles. They don't understand why some westerners are upset, just that "westerners are upset about loli characters" and are removing them in their entirety from a lot of products to avoid the possibility of social media backlash or more likely, future legal issues.

There's also a group of people who believe that lolicon/shotacon is illegal in some places right now and/or may become illegal in more places soon, and while that may be true, there's absolutely nothing in PSO2 that would get Sega in legal trouble anywhere in the world. The problems are: 1.) They look at those of us who want to play short characters in a video game as inhuman monsters who only exist to hurt children and think that no one will care if they bully us. 2.) They don't care enough to do the legal research to see that nothing in PSO2 will get them in trouble anywhere in the world, again adopting a completely heartless "who cares about a bunch of pedophile's feelings" mentality and thinking it would be easier to just say "screw you".

And society completely justifies them acting like that because that's how media has taught people to view pedophilia, who they're viewing all of us complaining as. "If you want to make a short character in this video game, that means you're a pedophile and if you're a pedophile that means you're a ticking time bomb who is going to ruin a child's life and that means we can treat you like dogshit and no one will care". It's a toxic mindset that comes from a place of bigotry and a lack of empathy at a time when everyone is screaming from the rooftops for understanding and tolerance of each other. It doesn't matter if you intend to make a character who looks like a child or not, or if you have those feelings at all or solely towards fictional depictions, that's the justification they're operating on.

It's awful. And this isn't me defending any sort of illegal act. This is me saying "being a bully makes you an asshole, regardless of who you're bullying".

While the popular retort to be used and to blame for the self imposed censor will be sexualization of x and y, it could be vastly far simpler than that. Many also forget a major one that is over looked. It could strictly be violence and how the shorter characters are depicted and aged. While only a handful of NPCs in game actually die, they are either shown as pure malevolent and out of the norm of "reality" aka the Gemini Twins - having a very chaotic but other worldly Shining feel to them to just plain cliche bad guys.

While yes, many other regions are a case by case situation on laws, statutes and regulations of all degrees it isn't just a singular aspect for the restriction. Global is that Global, not just JPN and Continental Americas.

Many countries have very strict rules on those under a certain age being in violent situations - and many said countries also have an indication that height is also correspondence to age in fiction - which sadly meaning short characters in their eyes will fall as child/teen etc in fiction - even if they are designed to be elderly like Happosai / Cologne (Ramna 1/2) ; be it games, books, media of any sort and have to follow some tight regulations to not get into hot water or to make any earnings from.

So we move to the Player Characters the PCs. Given the theme and genre and anime feel, the PCs are going to be automatically seen as 15-to-19 years of age (again, many other global governments see as 19 and younger is still a child, while many other see most 18-19+ as adults as long as they are not in high school.) So the PCs now, die, a lot. In story and through play. The PCs are subjected to all sorts of violence. Physical battles mainly, but also mental / psychological. So, seeing it as a Global game where there are more laws across the land of humans pertaining to violence.

It is safer to assume that this silly censor - no matter how passionate either side is, it is possibly more related to a common aspect law versus what a handful of forum trolls throw out to get threads closed. While yes, over sexualization is an issue in many areas, it is a theme that would probably get the game blocked in said areas (like many regions block the game due to Scratch Tickets) and it probably already has, versus what we already have for global. So in theory it would be safer to assume it is based on young fictional characters, both NPCs and PCs stuck in a very violent crusade to save the universe - and the more rounded heights are design to appease the global market as a whole to ensure that at least the PCs are seen and depicted as adults in said fictional world.

Yet this is a game where you can play as a full conversion cyborg who's body has little correlation to a biological age.

@ZeeHero9271 said in Remove Height Restriction:

Yet this is a game where you can play as a full conversion cyborg who's body has little correlation to a biological age.

While I am all for the removal of the height restriction. There are elements we do not know why it is in place, and all we can do is speculate on why they are there, from using common laws we are familiar with, to trying to understand other governments on a global scale based on what is taught and learned through education and other forms of media, be it social, gaming to entertainment.

Think of it this way. Super Jail - an AdultSwim cartoon that was strictly made for adults and aired at very late hour to ensure no child saw it, and if they did it was more parenting flaws versus creators/network problems. This show... clearly made for adults in every aspect. Was banned in many Eastern European countries, not due to the odd sexualization of criminals, weird graphic violence. It was due to the warden. How they had a very flamboyant personality, but also a very whimsical Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka approach to him. who had is hands in multiple mass murders of innocent civilians and inmates for no reason.

These countries banned the show, cause they felt, the warden, not the criminals, nor guards (who were just as violent as the criminals) - but the warden, was a product of American corruption made to weaken their nation(s) youth by playing into childlike carefree love and whimsy while purposely breaking the family unit. All that, based off a singular cartoon character mind you.

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This character here was a threat to their youth and desires to build stable families. That is the reach of what other governments are willing to go. That is what many gaming companies have to work around to expand their audiences.

So yes. As arbitrary as it may seem. A CAST - a 99% machine being could potentially be seen as propaganda and threat. And if you really want to delve deeper into the rabbit whole, google how Isakai animes and games are being banned in the Eastern European blocks cause it promotes... get this, better lively hood, a fantastical adventure, and possibly self harm; depending on the nation banning.

Maybe so, but just because some idiot sees something as a threat that must not be allowed to be seen by their oppressed masses they keep ignorant out of the mortal fear that they might rise up against their orwellian dictators, does not justify it in any way.

The only society afraid of information is one that should not be allowed to exist. One that runs entirely on fear and oppression.

Censorship has a place in our lives, in ONE place. we call it parenting, and that ends once we move out. Censoring what kids see is the parents job. it begins and ends there.

What some idiots think does not change this.

At this rate, I’m going to petition the JP version to be under the same restrictions we are. It only seems fair by international laws, morals, and rules.

@ZeeHero9271 said in Remove Height Restriction:

Maybe so, but just because some idiot sees something as a threat that must not be allowed to be seen by their oppressed masses they keep ignorant out of the mortal fear that they might rise up against their orwellian dictators, does not justify it in any way.

The only society afraid of information is one that should not be allowed to exist. One that runs entirely on fear and oppression.

Censorship has a place in our lives, in ONE place. we call it parenting, and that ends once we move out. Censoring what kids see is the parents job. it begins and ends there.

What some idiots think does not change this.

Censorship has its place - while it is clear you appear to be very passionate about it and feel that any government not up to your personal moral and standards is absolute totalitarian while belittling them. Censorship does have its place. Leaving that to what parents do is rather iffy at best. You alone saying this just seems a bit... odd? Odd is probably the safest approach. There are many nations, and many more people, and each one with vastly different views on what is good and bad in the world of entertainment, to the point, they alone make other global governments appear less threatening than the playground bully - which is another topic for another day, on a very different social forum, cause yeah, not a pretty subject.

I know your trying to see me as some pro censorship devil's advocate, given the name calling, and attempts at gotcha moments. I am providing information that I gathered and learned as a studio / storyboard artist for a few shows; many may or may not have seen. To allow for a more direct and moral approach to the discussion and steer away from the subjects that many like to blame cause of emotional knee-jerking on a topic that really can't afford emotional knee-jerking given how passionate both side will get on the matter.

It is difficult to many to assume that global could be more than a handful of nations, being JPN, Continental America, England and Australia - Which, funny enough Brits and Aussies have shows and approved of games that wouldn't fly here in the US and could net persons in legal trouble if they try to side step it. As well, we have many games and shows that are outright banned there. As same situation, could get a person(s) in some matter of legal situation. Yet these are not Orwellian / 1984 totalitarian nations with power hungry dictators. It is all based on common laws. These laws are often archaic and written decades, and I mean decades ago where semblance of moral unity and ideals were more community versus individualism and expression; and each one vastly different from another - but, still common enough for one to give a breather and think on how not to change others to appeal to us, but to understand and approach in a more direct and logical manner.

While we clearly do not know the reasons for the restriction, belittlement to seemingly threats of said people / nations should exists cause x, y, z will only lead you down a very dark rabbit hole where many here will not try to save you from and only aim to hurt the argument more. The goal is to approach it as you would if you were the sole creator. We suggest we are passionate and dedicated to it - if we are, truly, if we really are as we suggest and keep claiming. It is time present it as a creator would since it is characters we designed to play the game and use commonsense int he matter and save face by not diving head first into knee jerks and assign retorts of what ifs and should bes. The argument needs to be what it was and is to how it can effectively be positively in a global market while weighing both the pros and cons so that the argument can grow with sounding support and based on logic so that agreements can be made and understanding versus... what has been happening for a year now on the subject. Despite it has gotten a lot better, it is far from where it needs to be.

They should at least disclose the reason for it as a bare minimum. Them not giving a reason makes it look like they are too afraid to because they don't actually have a valid reason because if they did then they should have no problems telling the player base the reason.

We’re lucky they announce events on time, let alone tell the community their plans on stuff. XD

It feels like they completely avoid the forums altogether, and stick to posting on Twitter to make cringey post to advertise the game. 😕

@Viola-Lance thank you. I think this puts things into a better perspective. I put up a forum that asking Sega to reveal this information a year or so ago, because I expected it would be something closer to what you are referring.

Australia, for example, has been banning common anime/manga recently. Makes no sense but almost the inclusion of characters under the age of 18 means it must be G-rated or something. Atelier Totori got a r18+ rating there for example.

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Anime too hot to govern I guess. XD

But in all seriousness, I’m hoping some light is shed on the situation. Cuz as it stands currently, it’s eliminating a whole type of character you could make, making the “Ultimate Character Creator” not so ultimate. :3

if it was actually ultimate at all, they would have entirely reworked the outfits and weapon camo system to be more like every other game with decent customization.

Weapon camos are an idiotic concept, when every single weapon we bind to our account should be its own accountwide camo option.

@ZeeHero9271 said in Remove Height Restriction:

if it was actually ultimate at all, they would have entirely reworked the outfits and weapon camo system to be more like every other game with decent customization.

Weapon camos are an idiotic concept, when every single weapon we bind to our account should be its own accountwide camo option.

I cry every time I remember that shirts/jacket and skirts/pants aren't separate elements we can chose from...

I know right? We have great body sliders and stuff, but overall the customization isnt that great. What you're wearing is a big part of it, and even BDO falls flat on its face for that part.

Games advertise amazing customization and only deliver on the physical features half of the deal, forgetting the other, equally important part entirely.

There are some places you can stand where even at global's min height you are too tall. Let me be short enough to not have my head clip through ceilings or I guess tree roots in this case. 17866dab-5de9-425d-9519-442eae43268f-image.png