to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..

as title says: i'm bummed about fallen heroes...

i'm bummed about it leaving when i didn't realize tt was the only method to obtaining that awesome pq scenery that i had seen once in a random room and wanted so badly until it was too late.. i'm bummed that i played it so many times and pretty much got crap.. oh.. and the sg swap stereo..

i'm bummed that as it was preparing to leave.. ya'll legit slowed the sg to a dribble.. (i know.. cuz i once i realized it was where the scenery was at.. i spent every bit of my sg there..

i'm bummed that the only way i can see to get said scenery would have been to pay 90 freakin dollars considering the draws (4 of one suit.. 3 of another.. some augment items.. nothing out of the many things i liked

and i'm bummed that my simple request that each player have a pick before it's gone was apparently denied..

like.. rushed schedule.. tons of ish to do.. apparently we're pretty profitable..

and while we grow your player base and you pocket books with our wok.. while we have to jump thru many hoops and deal with hassles from launch..

ya can't come up off some of that copy paste digital media..

coool..

bummed.. but cool.. thank you for setting the bar for moving forward..

cuz we, the community was keeping it held pretty high..

but.. i mean...

why?

bummed rant over..

tl;dr?

i tried.. your rng said no..

and now i gotta watch it go..

meh

I didn’t get the scenery pass either after 80 tickets, had to spend my Choice tickets on Matoi poses so I feel your pain. The stakes are too high for SG scratch, I don’t spend real money on it. AC scratch is the only one that’s fair. 80 tickets and 99% of it was complete garbage, I would have been furious if I paid for that because 80 SG scratch tickets would equal over $300, are you kidding me? $300 for a lose/lose gamble.

@WoollierTiara12 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

as it was preparing to leave..

This post scared me for a bit because I thought it disappeared earlier than it was stated to.

For what it's worth it's still preparing to leave, and hasn't left yet. If it leaves on time there should be about 10½ hours left as of this post.

I’m sorry you didn’t get the item you want, but they did give us 6 months on the scratch, and they increased that from 2 months. It also had the end date very clearly stated.

While I agree the price of buying SG is outrageous it’s very possible to farm in game, I actually posted a guide a while back. I had to do 130 pulls to get everything I wanted which cost 10,400 SG, and I managed to get all that in around 2 and a half months, and I only spent $10 when I got impatient fo my first ticket. Thing with farming SG it takes time, so if you don’t already have the SG theirs no way you’re going to be able to get what you need in time, unless you buy it.

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

it’s very possible to farm in game

It depends, if you only want one or two items then yes, 6 months would be enough. But if you want a character set (some of which have up to 13 pieces) then 6 months might not even come close to the timeframe you need, especially now since new titles and story rewards are going to dry up.

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

it’s very possible to farm in game [snip] I had to do 130 pulls to get everything I wanted

This doesn't mean everything's affordable, it just means you either wanted very little or got lucky with the pulls. You only needed 130 pulls between three sets? Sheesh.

ngs doesnt have rooms its ok

@Ryoga said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

it’s very possible to farm in game

It depends, if you only want one or two items then yes, 6 months would be enough. But if you want a character set (some of which have up to 13 pieces) then 6 months might not even come close to the timeframe you need, especially now since new titles and story rewards are going to dry up.

Here’s everything that I got:

2x innocent Ensemble outer (one I coloured changed to blue cause I love the outfit in blue, Innocent ensemble base, Innocent ensemble Sea base, Innocent ensemble snow base, Innocent ensemble inner, Viel Cytus, Innocent Cytus, Mikoto-Matoi, Viel Twin Loops, Matoi loop pigtails 2 GV, Long pigtails GV, Matoi Straight, Viel Tears, Viel Bloom A, Viel Bloom B, Viel Headgear, Innocent Headgear, Matoi’s Extension, Apocalypse staff Requiem, Matoi Pose 1, Matoi Pose 2, Matoi Pose 3

Has you can see I wanted a fair bit, it took 130 pulls to get 22 items, really 19 cause 3 of those items I used tickets on. Now you can debate how lucky I was or not, when I got something I wanted about 15% of the time. Keep in mind I got all this in 2 and half months with 130 pulls and 10,400 SG, if I needed more pulls to get the stuff I needed then I would of kept going and I would of still had over 3 months to do it, and I did the vast majority of this farming back when we had way less ways to earn SG

@Miraglyth said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

it’s very possible to farm in game [snip] I had to do 130 pulls to get everything I wanted

This doesn't mean everything's affordable, it just means you either wanted very little or got lucky with the pulls. You only needed 130 pulls between three sets? Sheesh.

In this case it can be affordable, has everything can be farmed in game, it’s just a grind. Now wether the grind is worth it is something each person will have to decide for themselves cause it will be a huge time sink over multiple months if you want the amount of stuff I wanted.

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

Now you can debate how lucky I was or not

No debate is necessary - The statistics of that say if you wanted 22 items and got all of them in just 130 pulls, you got obscenely lucky. Normally there'd be probably 6-8 of those that you hadn't pulled in that time and the law of diminishing returns says even after 100+ pulls, you're still no more likely to get them and are in fact now less likely to get them because odds are you're onto your 5th dupe of something you only wanted 1 of.

I expect it's more likely you wanted maybe 28 items and got 22 of them? If so, great, you're happy with enough of a wider range of items. Some people only wanted a tiny handful of very specific items and the much reduced odds of that make the Global condensed SG scratch sets particularly unforgiving.


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

Keep in mind I got all this in 2 and half months with 130 pulls and 10,400 SG

Right, so are you claiming none of that SG came from one-off titles like story or specific quest challenges (e.g. the 200 for S rank on solo PD)? Because that would amount to just over 1,000 SG per week and means you're both looking at reasonably high tier Rankings rewards (all other weekly sources combined aren't enough unless you're flipping outfits on 30 characters) and not spending much if anything on other SG costs like Material Storage (about 55/wk) and Global-exclusive Fresh Finds.

I really want to know your claim to this SG sourcing breakdown, especially if you also claim to be including other SG costs. Mostly because everyone I've ever challenged on this point ended up admitting that they were using some extent of one-off SG sources which are not sustainable.

And ultimately that doesn't change the incredibly. Basic. Fact. That JP had smaller SG scratch sets (less interference), no overlap between their sets, no Fresh Finds which is a serious SG drain for what should have been tradable AC scratch items, and three years to gain SG while we've had about 5 months since they added SG to the casino and less than that with Battle Arena and Buster Quests. So even if you think your idea of SG sourcing is reasonable, you cannot disagree that the balance of our our SG supply and demand is an absolute nightmare compared to JP and that's where the intended balance was set up.

I’m going to repost this here, it’s an updated list of farming SG, it’s pro not going to do OP any good theirs just not enough time left but for anyone else wanting items from other SG scratches hopefully it helps. Ideally this should really be in its own sticky thread so people can find it easily

Ways of farming SG:

Putting AC scratch clothes on all your chars, it basically works out to 10 SG per char, per day, so for the 3, free chars you get that’s 30 a day, and more of you pay for extra chars. This may seem like a big investment but normally get a lot of mesta back when you sell them on afterwards. If you can afford to hold onto the outfits, a good idea is to convert them to recycle badges and sell during a boost week.

Titles give a ton of SG, just go through the list and see what you can earn here are some of the best ones. S ranking Story missions on hardcore, getting each class to lvl 80 and 85, earning the bonus SP for each class, taking a 13* weap for each class to +35, lookbook likes, leveling all of your Dark Falz, Endless quests, and S ranking Earth and Phantasms with each class, it’s a 4 person quest, so the easiest way to do is have 3 people on their main class, and 1 person on a Radom class they want to get the SG on, everyone takes turns with their random class and you gradually work though until everyone gets all their classes done.

PvP gets you up to 100SG a week, and a bonus depending on where you finish each month

Challenge Quests can net you around 200-300SG a week, you need 4 experienced players.

Running free match buster quests gives you buster medals, which you can then exchange for SG, you can get 40SG a week

Casino gets you 40SG a week, for 11,700 coins, this sounds like a lot but get 4 players on mesta shooter on silver, and you can earn this in about an hour.

Running the weekly TA Runs, if you finish high enough you get SG for both solo and group times

You can also get ranked for room visitors, and opening rare containers

You get 60SG a month just for logging in

You get 44SG every PSO2 day, and 2 Magatsu Keys

Theirs always random campaigns going on that give SG makes sure you meet all the requirements for those

If your premium you get 200SG a month from mission pass, and another 60SG from login stamps, and another 44 SG and 2 Magatsu Silver Keys on the premium exclusive PSO2 on the 22nd.

This is a bit random, but doing the 4 daily recommended quests can get you SG. They drop bonus keys, the ones we are after are Magatsu Silver which is 10SG and Magatsu Gold which is 30SG

@Miraglyth

Where did I ever ‘claim’ that I didn’t get any SG from titles? I only stated that I farmed SG, and I include titles in that cause some of them are very grindy, but if you want to focus on sources you can farm every day and week over a 6 month period then let’s focus on those. Also side note yes i completely ignored material storage and fresh findes while I was doing this they weren’t my priority.

Has we are only going to focus on stuff we know we can get every day or week, so I won’t be including SG you can from campaigns, TA, Rec quests, the monthly bonus you get from battle arena, or challenge quests. Also going to presume the player is completely free to play and don’t get any of the extra SG you get from premium. This is over a 6 month period:

First up you get 60 a month for logging in so 60x6 is 360SG,

You can get 40 a week from casino, so 40SG x 26 weeks is 1040 SG,

You can get 40 a week from buster quests, so 40SG x 26 weeks is 1040 SG,

You get 64SG every PSO2 day so 64 x 6 is 384 SG,

Battle Arena is 100 a week 100SG x 26 weeks is 2600 SG,

You an get 30 SG a day from outfits on a free account so 30 SG x 182 days is 5460 SG.

You add all this together over a 6month period thats 10,884 SG and that all guaranteed sources. Again this doesn’t include campaigns, Weekly ranking of TA, rare boxes, and room vists, challenge mode, the monthly bonus of battle arena, recommended quests, the extra SG you get from premium, or using extra chars to farm SG outfits

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

I’m going to repost this here, it’s an updated list of farming SG

Oh good, you're going to hide behind a giant wall of vagueness about where you can get SG from, rather than specifying where you do as requested. Charming. I hope you didn't think this would prevent me breaking it all down, because big thoughtful posts are kind of my forte around here. With that said...


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

Challenge Quests can net you around 200-300SG a week, you need 4 experienced players.

Oh look, there's the tryhard ranking crap I mentioned. I knew it. I knew it.

Guess what? Top 50 in Strike and Decision for both Universal and your ship gives 120 SG. 300 is an absolute farce. You're only getting that if you have characters on all four ships and getting top 50 on all of those, (30 x 2 x 5 = 300) or if you finish top 10 in some of the rankings.

Not everyone can finish top 10. It might surprise you to know that generally only 10-12 people do!

I would assert that to most people, they can probably get 30 SG from Challenge Mode each week by running Strike on their ship until they get a Sword or Rifle in the first couple of areas which is enough to die in the Mission 2 Bayze challenge. Most ship rankings for Strike don't have 50 people who do this, so getting top 50 there is arguably doable.


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

Running the weekly TA Runs, if you finish high enough you get SG for both solo and group times

You can also get ranked for room visitors, and opening rare containers

Strike these as well for exactly the same reason. I do run TA rankings, and as a Bouncer main I cannot hope to compete with the top 20 who are all Force and Braver whales. On very rare occasion I finish 19th or 20th which gives 30 SG rather than the usual 10, but let's not insult everyone's intelligence by pretending this is either an accessible source to most or a high amount to the majority.


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

You get 60SG a month just for logging in

You get 44SG every PSO2 day, and 2 Magatsu Keys

If your premium [snip] and another 60SG from login stamps, and another 44 SG and 2 Magatsu Silver Keys on the premium exclusive PSO2 on the 22nd.

Yep, so 60 SG every 30 days without premium and 120 SG in that period with it.

Meanwhile those Magatsu keys are silver, so combined with the 44 from PSO2 days that's 64 SG per calendar month or 128 with premium.

So these all this combined works out to about 29 SG a week without premium and about 57 SG a week with it.


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

Theirs always random campaigns going on that give SG makes sure you meet all the requirements for those

Those aren't renewable and the only ones that have any consistency are like 100 SG over a week as login bonuses. Let's say that happens once every 5 weeks on average (I don't have the number admittedly) and count it as 20 SG per week.

ARKS Leagues - which so far have only happened about once every ten weeks - generally give out more but there is a dramatic effect on how much you get based entirely on how lucky you are with the league you are placed into.

Meanwhile Battle Arena campaigns seem to have stopped back in November.

ARKS Hour has also given 100 SG per code since its introduction which is about 23 SG per week.


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

If your premium you get 200SG a month from mission pass

Slightly better, every 28 days. Meanwhile if you're not premium and don't sacrifice the gold tiers (which would be a hilariously stupid move since Mission Pass is far better value for SG than scratches or Fresh Finds) it's 100 every 28 days. Or if you're not premium and do (a realistic scenario since they are disgustingly overdue on another Buy Premium campaign) it's actually -100 SG per 28 days.

In summary: Premium is +50 SG/week, non-premium (no gold) is +25/week and non-prem (gold) is -25/week.


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

This is a bit random, but doing the 4 daily recommended quests can get you SG. They drop bonus keys, the ones we are after are Magatsu Silver which is 10SG and Magatsu Gold which is 30SG

Agreed, and I would note that I have averaged 1 gold and 2-4 silver keys per week since Episode 6 landed, which would average to about 60 SG/week if it's a fair reflection of the odds.


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

PvP gets you up to 100SG a week

buster quests [snip] get 40SG a week

Casino gets you 40SG a week

These are the stable ones, though they take a bit of cumulative effort. So let's start with this total 180 SG per week as a baseline and add in the outcomes of my notes above:

[Consistent]

  • 180 SG/week (Battle Arena, Buster Quests, Casino)
  • 30 SG/week (Challenge Mode top 50 on local ship in Mission: Strike)
  • 20 SG/week (Top 100 in Time Attack runs, solo and group, probably excepting weeks with Rush Practise Harukotan)
  • 20 SG/week (login SG campaigns - estimate)
  • 23 SG/week (ARKS Hour)
  • 60 SG/week (Recommended Quest Magatsu keys)

[Conditional - Mission Pass, login stamps and PSO2 days' direct and Magatsu Key rewards]

  • 107 SG/week (Premium)
  • 54 SG/week (non-Prem without Mission Pass Gold)
  • 4 SG/week (non-Prem with Mission Pass Gold)

So that's a grand total of 337-440 reasonably accessible SG per week.

You described burning through 10,400 SG for one SG scratch set, and I must correct myself because I thought that was between all three SG scratches we have (giving a total of 42 weeks), but no you're talking about just for Fallen Heroes which means even before considering the -55 SG/week effect of Material Storage or any Fresh Finds purchases you're looking at one SG scratch set that had a net SG cost of 743 SG / week.

440/week in, 743/week out.

This does not add up. You are including one-off titles that are not sustainable, or a highly unreasonable amount of ranking SG. Plain and simple.


Edit: For the follow-up post:


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

Where did I ever ‘claim’ that I didn’t get any SG from titles?

I didn't say you did. I simply asked, because most people I have discussed this with in the past have vastly underestimated the impact one-off SG sources have (it's a common trick in live service games, since players fall for it quite easily).


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

and I include titles in that cause some of them are very grindy

Grindy maybe, but still one-off. Some of us would only too happily repeat a grindy 100+ SG title if we had the option because it'd still be a renewable source. But it's not. You get it once, you burn its first benefit on the first SG scratch set and then you get to the next SG scratch set and realise you don't have its benefit anymore only after it's too late.


@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in to the powers that be, i'm really bummed about the fallen heroes..:

You can get 40 a week from buster quests, so 40SG x 26 weeks is 1040 SG

You add all this together over a 6month period thats 10,884 SG and that all guaranteed sources.

I already provided a better overall SG/week breakdown prior to the edit, so I'll only respond to this one to make an obvious point you seem to be glazing over:

We don't get 26 weeks worth of income for every SG scratch set.

The SG scratch sets themselves last 26 weeks, sure, but they're overlapping three at a time!

For the first three sets that have been 8 weeks apart, it means 42 weeks for 3 sets or 14 weeks worth of income you can allocate to each set. If that pattern were to continue it would reduce further and trend down to 8.67 weeks per set, though since we're practically caught up with JP on SG scratch sets we're unlikely to reach that point.

(It's only a secondary and minor point that Buster Quests didn't exist when Fallen Heroes was introduced. They were added when Episode 5 arrived on 30 September which was actually 3 weeks after Fallen Heroes was originally set to end!)

Wow its like you arent meant to get everything you want in a lotto like system. 😐

Shocker.

Actually the fallen hero's was around Much longer than the one with the Phaleg outfit in them, That one was gone pretty fast. But, eh... I supposed you will get to see them again eventually, So - like in the meantime, Why not just save your SG for now?